Alans / Alaunts, Molossers, Mastiffs & Gt. Danes...


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Wednesday, December 11, 2002

OSSETIA
Here’s my attempt at a bit of ethnography, using information I found on the Web or in Sebastian Smith’s book about the Russian Caucasus:
Right in the centre of the North Caucasus region with the Circassians to their west and Ingushetia, Chechnya and Daghestan to their east, the Ossetians are unusual amongst these peoples in being mainly Christian and in speaking an Indo-European language. In fact, they claim to be descendants of the Sarmatians, an Iranic people who succeeded their near relatives, the Scythians, in the control of the steppes of southern Russia in Classical times (the Sarmatians were traditionally thought to be married to the Amazons, perhaps because they had female warriors). Allied with Greek colonists in the Crimea region and various other local tribes, the Sarmatians formed part of the Kingdom of the Bosphorus, founded in the fifth century BC, which made its money by controlling most of the trade on the Black Sea. The Ossetians are actually descended from one particular Sarmatian tribe called the Alans who are first mentioned in Chinese sources in the first century AD (BTW before anyone asks, the name “Alan”, as in “Alan Partridge”, apparently doesn’t derive from this tribe but from a Breton word of uncertain meaning). The Alans are famous for: (a) taking part in Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire and (b) possibly serving as a major inspiration for Medieval European knights and chivalry.
(a) Though the Sarmatians had never been averse to a bit of raiding in the Roman Empire (Ovid describes them crossing into Romania in one of his poems, “with the icicles hanging off their beards”) it wasn’t until relatively late that they made their mark in western Europe. The Kingdom of the Bosphorus had gone into slow decline under Roman influence and in the late fourth century AD it was dealt a deathblow by a frightening new nomadic power from Central Asia, the Huns. The Huns forced the Alans to submit to them then headed westwards, pushing the terrified Goths across the Danube into the Roman Empire in 376. In 406, a group of Alans, in alliance with some Germanic Vandals and Suebi, penetrated the empire themselves by invading Gaul. Here, and further south in the Pyrenees, they set up kingdoms which were short-lived, but left their mark in French place names such as Alencon. They also managed to get their revenge on the Huns by joining the Romans to defeat Attila at the battle of the Cataulanian Fields in 451. (b) The Sarmatians were credited with introducing the earliest version of the medieval knight to Europe when the Romans either copied their heavy cavalry or employed Sarmatian soldiers in their armies. The Sarmatians were famous for arming their horsemen with full body armour and a lance. The Alans also had another weapon, dogs called alaunts or alanuts, which they would use to savage their enemies’ horses. The codes of gallantry still present in the Caucasus today may have been transmitted along with the use of Sarmatian cavalry as the basis of medieval chivalry. At least one theory has a Sarmatian foundation to the myth of King Arthur:
Another interesting fact about the Alans is that they might be responsible for the legends of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table and the Holy Grail.
Littleton and Malcor [in a book reviewed here] made the significant discovery that the scene of Arthur's death in Mallory's Morte d'Arthur, where the sword Excalibur was thrown into a lake, occurs in almost identical terms in the legends (Nart Sagas) of the Ossetians in the Caucasus. There is a possible connection, since the Ossetians are descendants of the Alans, and the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius had settled in Britain a particular tribe of Alans (the Iazyges), whom he had defeated at AD 175 and taken into Roman service. The Alans had settled in the north of Britain, many of them at Ribchester or Ribelcastre, south of Lancaster. The legion to which the Alans were assigned, the VI Legion Victrix, was commanded by alanian warlord named by the Romans as Lucius Artorius Castus. "Artorius" looks like the Latin source of the name "Arthur".
The Narts are the heroes of legends common to the North Caucasus. They are a race of warrior giants, with many similarities to the Titans of Greek myth (in particular, there are plenty of tales with a surprising resemblance to the story of Prometheus, traditionally thought to have been chained to a rock in the Caucasus mountains as a punishment for stealing fire from heaven).
Meanwhile, the Alans who remained in the Caucasus fell under Byzantine influence and became Christianized, although many of them only superficially (and there is also a Muslim minority today). There is still a great deal of pagan belief in Ossetia. Missionaries tried to help convert the Ossetians by replacing their gods with similar Christian saints. The most popular was (and still is) Wasterzhi, a knight-like rider on a white horse, who was transformed into Saint George by the Church, although his main function is as a fertility god (he is supposed to be so effective in this department that women are forbidden even to name him). His chief place of worship today is Hetag’s grove near the North Ossetian capital of Vladikavkaz. Hetag was a fugitive somewhere between the 14th and 16th centuries who was rescued from his enemies when Wasterzhi sent down a grove of trees to hide him. From that time on the trees there have been sacred and the cult has received a massive boost as part of the general religious revival in Russia since the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The Kingdom of Alania flourished as part of the Byzantine sphere of influence until, like most of the rest of the Caucasus region, it was devastated by two waves of Mongol invasions: the first by the followers of Genghis Khan in the 1200s; the second by Timur Leng (Tamburlaine) in the fifteenth century. After that the Ossetians retreated further up the Caucasus mountains and became the target of the expanding Safavi Persian empire. This led them to throw their lot in with the other expanding empire to the north, Russia, which at least had the merit of being Christian Orthodox. This willingness to submit to Russia hasn’t always made the Ossetians too popular with their predominantly Muslim North Caucasian neighbours. The Russians used Ossetia as a base for their conquest of the Caucasus, founding the major fortress town of Vladikavkaz (roughly “ruler of the Caucasus”) in 1784. This defended the north end of the Daryal Gorge, the main route through the Caucasus to the rich kingdom of Georgia to the south. In the 1990s, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Ossetians found themselves split into two republics, one within Russia, the other within Georgia. The effort to unite the two led to a bloody war with Georgia. In 1992, they also fought their Muslim neighbours, the Ingush, for control of the Prigorodny region. Famous Ossetians, apart from King Arthur (I put that bit in to annoy the Welsh) include Stalin (allegedly), though I far prefer conductor Valery Gergiev, chief of the Kirov Opera.
 
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και το δευτερο...

Ossetia & Ossetians>>alans

(εδω το κειμενο επαναλαμβανεται λιγο αλλα αξιζει τον κοπο να διαβαστει ολοκληρο)

The Alans (Alani), an ancient nomadic pastoral people that occupied the steppe region northeast of the Black Sea. The Alans were first mentioned in Roman literature in the 1st century AD and were described later as a warlike people that specialized in horse breeding. They frequently raided the Parthian empire and the Caucasian provinces of the Roman Empire.
The Alans, besides being great horse mounted warriors are also associated with a breed of war-dog by the modern name of Great Dane*/Alanout (or Alunt**). The Alans always took these dogs in their campaigns and used them to attack enemy horses.
Another interesting fact about the Alans is that they might be responsible for the legends of King Arthur, the Knights of the Round Table and the Holy Grail.
Littleton and Malcor made the significant discovery that the scene of Arthur's death in Mallory's Morte d'Arthur, where the sword Excalibur was thrown into a lake, occurs in almost identical terms in the legends (Nart Sagas) of the Ossetians in the Caucasus. There is a possible connection, since the Ossetians are descendants of the Alans, and the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius had settled in Britain a particular tribe of Alans (the Iazyges), whom he had defeated at AD 175 and taken into Roman service. The Alans had settled in the north of Britain, many of them at Ribchester or Ribelcastre, south of Lancaster. The legion to which the Alans were assigned, the VI Legion Victrix, was commanded by alanian warlord named by the Romans as Lucius Artorius Castus. "Artorius" looks like the Latin source of the name "Arthur".
About AD 370, the Alans were overwhelmed by the Huns, and many fled westward, crossing into Gaul with the Vandals and Suebi (AD 406).
Although some of the Alans settled near Orleans and Valence, most went to North Africa with the Vandals, causing the official title of the Vandal kings in Africa to be "Kings of the Vandals and the Alans".
The Alans who remained on the steppes are said to be ancestors of the modern Ossetians of the Caucasus.


*This large Mastiff is thought to be descended from the Tibetan Mastiff introduced in Europe by the Phoenicians, then by the Nomadic Persian Alans. In the middle ages, there were two varieties of this Mastiff: a smaller alaunt, powerful, agile, streamlined dogs that hunted in packs for boar, wolf and bear and a heavier, more compact alaunt used for guard duties. The immediate ancestors are the Bullenbeisser (now extinct) crossed with large hunting dogs descended from the more streamlined alaunt.

**In early European scriptures there are described, or mentioned, a dog named Alan, Alani or Alaunt. What these dogs exactly was is unsurtain, but it is believed that these dogs are among the ancestors to many of todays Molosser breeds.

The name Alan are problary derived from the Alani tribes, a native people from the Caucasus, who swept through Europe prior to the Roman colonisation. The homeland to the Alani tribe, the Caucasus, lies between the Caspian and the Black seas, and stretches southwards from the high ridges of the Caucasus to the frontiers of Asiatic Turkey and Persia, embracing the ancient Calchis, Albania and a portion of Armenia, including mount Ararat. It is my believe that the closest relative to the Alan/Alaunt still can be found in the region, and are of the same type, like the Central Asian Ovtcharka. In most of the old writings the Alan are described as a white dog. The Alabai (Central Asian Ovtcharka) is often white or part white, and it is highly possible that the old Alan are the ancestor to the ancestors to the Mastiff typed, big white flock guardians




It is interesting that the Central Asian Ovtcharka are known as "Alabai" in the region described above, a name not far from the name Alan/Alaunt.
As mentioned above the Alani tribes swept through Europe, invaded Gaul and Britain and overrun Spain. As a result of this the Alan is mentioned in several writings. Chaucer wrote in "The Knights Tale"; "About his care there wente white Alaun's, twenty and more, as great as any steer, to hunt the lion or wild boar. And followed him, with muzzles fastly bound".
Cotgrave calls the Alan a great ugly lop-eared brute, with great dewlaps, used for hunting the boar.


Late fourteen century writings of Gaston, third Comte de Foix, more commonly known as Gaston Phoebus, lists in the book of hunting the dogs in current use at his time; Alan Gentil, Alan Viature, Alan de Boucherie. He remarks that the Alan Gentile are; "They who by their strenght and stature can do more harm than any other breed", and later; "Alans are prickly, and nasty tempered, although giddier and madder than any other kinds of hounds. For a good Alan must gallop on like a greyhound and when he has got up to his game , he must let his teeth in and not let go".

When the laws of Canute were made in 1016, the Alan is not mentioned. It can therefore be presumed that the breed was unknown in England at this time, and was problary introduced by the Normans. In records of French boar hunting kennels of the period of Gaston Phoebus there are listed amongst the breeds Alauntes, Mastins, and Grandes Dogues Anglais, the latter problary describing the British Mastiff, and we can see that the Alan are clearly described as being distinct from the Mastiff.
Other early writers have stated that the Alan was a large, strong, thick headed, short muzzled dog. We can assume that the name Alan/Alaunt were also used on other breeds than the original Alaunt, a practice widely used in the old days and it makes the determination of which discriptions that include the original Alaunt even harder.



In Spain the breed name have survived up to modern times in the word Alano, and I do believe that the Alano of Spain could trace their roots directly to the ancient Alan. Be aware that I refer to the old Alano, up to the early 1900's, who was more like a Great Dane, and bears few resemblances with the modern Alano Espanol.

Anyway, it is surtain that the old Alan/Alaunt have had a important role in the creation of many of the modern Molosser breeds.



note - alaunts : a cross between a greyhound and a heavier hound like a mastiff.
 
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σημειωση για το Βασιλειο του Βoσπορου :

The Bosporan Kingdom or the Kingdom of the Cimmerian Bosporus was an ancient state, located in eastern Crimea and the Taman Peninsula on the shores of the Cimmerian Bosporus (see Strait of Kerch). It is interesting as the first truly 'Hellenistic' state - in the sense of one in which a mixed population adopted the Greek language and civilization
 




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Πολύ ενδιαφέρων πάντως!

Θα το διαβάσω όταν το τυπώσω γιατί με μεγάλα κείμενα η οθόνη με σκοτώνει

Προιστορία των μολοσοειδών φυλών δεν είναι?

ο αρθούρος οι έλληνες οι βυζαντινοι όμως τι κάνουνε? θα αναγκαστώ να το διαβάσω απο οθόνης και θα στραβωθώ πάλι:p:p:p
 


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αν μεταφραζα ολα τα αρθρα δεν θακανα τιποτ αλλο...συγνωμη αλλα θεωρησα οτι ειναι ενδιαφερον μια και εχει ελληνικες αναφορες...το βαζω και αυτο στη λιστα των προς μεταφρασιν! :)